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Lasareth · Jun 18, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Holy crap, I know someone who did the quest again just to beat his mirror. If he was banned for this, that's bs. Neither of us knew about this exploit.

Dumachum · Jun 18, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Heh, why would I of been banned? I reported the damn thing after finding it. i didn't abuse it like apparantly some did. And it WAS an exploit, a rather obvious one too.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 18, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Ignotus

YOU ARE IN DENIAL. The rules clearly state that exploiting a bug is against the TOS. Whether you like it or not, that's the rule that you agreed to when accepting the TOS. Every game I've ever played had the same rule. Not all of them banned on the first offense, but this was pretty serious. I like the strong ban-hand. Maybe it will cause more people to think before exploiting the next bug they find.

*Applauds* A most powerful statement.

What he says is true. You agreed to the TOS, now you have to live with it

Dumachum · Jun 18, 2005, 01:22 AM // 01:22

And it had nothing to do with simply killing your mirror again for fun or trying to get the bonus (broke?). You could kill it in a fashion that it wouldn't advance the story past ascension, and THAT was bad.

Ensign · Jun 18, 2005, 01:23 AM // 01:23

I have issues with them banning players for 'exploiting', just because the bar can be set as low as they want. Using Vengance when it was broken was clearly an exploit. The Essence Bond / Life Bond combo was technically bugged and thus using it was an exploit. While a situation like this is pretty extreme, their policy amounts to little more than 'we can ban you whenever we feel like it'.

Granted, they pretty much have that right anyway. I guess I'm just not comfortable with it.

Peace,
-CxE

Ninna · Jun 18, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26

I personally found names being banned (with no rename) more extreme

Tala · Jun 18, 2005, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Damn AI, now I have coke spewed all over my keyboard because of your posts. It's your fault too. You knew I'd bork my coke when the humor of your postings became clear! That's entrapment! You're buying me a new keyboard buddy! Oh...and I don't want one of those fancy schmancy ones either. I want one that IBM gave to some Russian colleges many years ago. That's right...I want a RED keyboard.

Fetch.

Theus · Jun 18, 2005, 01:39 AM // 01:39

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Tell me, other then simply ressurecting a player..Did Vengence give you an incredibly large amount of Experiance and skill points? No. It simply revived you. Whoop-de-do.

I think if you exploited this bug and you expected not to get banned, your an idiot.

Supervixen · Jun 18, 2005, 01:42 AM // 01:42

If it's a red Type-M keyboard, I want one too. *loves her spring buckle IBM*

On the subject though, much as I support the banning of bug exploiters, I can't let go of the feeling that there are people truly clueless enough to stumble into the bug by accident.

In this case, I would've preferred to see an account rollback, rather than an outright banning.

drowningfish999 · Jun 18, 2005, 01:43 AM // 01:43

I'm thinking they looked through to see if people seriously exploited the bug, or just accidently did it once or maybe twice. If you see that someone was constantly re-doing that part numerous times, of course they're gonna get banned. But perhaps the people that didn't exploit it extremely were ok. I do think that the banning was a little harsh, but they do have the freedom to do what they want.

Theus · Jun 18, 2005, 01:44 AM // 01:44

Think about it for a second..

When you do a quest..do you go do it again?

No.So the people who were exploiting obiviously knew they were.

Darc.Syde · Jun 18, 2005, 01:44 AM // 01:44

well, if you take out the draw back of a spell, it's too good - hence the reason for the draw back in the first place. so it is an exploit, same with stacking balthazar's aura back when it was bugged.

if anet is true with there word, you're gonna see alot of good players - lulu, cross, etc - banned.

edit: you can also be banned if you've ever passed a relic through a door

Howling Wind · Jun 18, 2005, 01:45 AM // 01:45

I'm interested to know who's character in this forum got banned...

If that guy who originally posted about the exploit in the other thread got banned...well not be rude its kind of ironicly funny...

dansamy · Jun 18, 2005, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Ok now that they've fixed it, would anyone like to explain the bug for me? Exactly what was happening. (I was busy in the UW when a little messge popped up about Augury being closed until further notice.)

BE|Dac · Jun 18, 2005, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Exploits are for cool people.

btw i passed through walls, picked up free rares in oasis etc.

Gaile Gray · Jun 18, 2005, 02:00 AM // 02:00

It's really important that you guys know that we didn't ban people who hit upon this exploit accidentally or who were merely trying to complete the mission. We banned people who did this intentionally and on a repeated basis. We have complete logs of everything that these players did, and it's enormously obvious who was trying to exploit the bug and who wasn't. Those who were not, and even those who were simply marginal, were not banned. If there was even the slightest question of their involvement in intentional exploitation, we left the account unbanned. In other words, only the worst abusers were banned.

If you have questions about this, you might read the EULA and the Rules of Conduct. I'm not saying that nastily, like Read the Flippin' Manual! I'm saying it because I read it myself, just today, to make sure once again that all that we were discussing was on the up and up. The RoC calls out explicitly that players should not use exploits and that there are appropriate repercussions for their use. No one undertook this exploit (sometimes dozens of times) in an "innocent" fashion.

For the good of the game, those who used the exploit -- and again, at the highest levels of abuse -- have been banned.

We're sorry it was necessary.

Sarus · Jun 18, 2005, 02:05 AM // 02:05

If they banned people for using the vengeance "exploit" or any of the other bugged skills they could also shut down tombs and do away with PvP cause the entire PvP community would be banned.

If the entire PvP community was banned then nobody would complain about grind and Anet would be free to raise the level cap to 5000 and suck in all those WoW players that get off on watching their experience bars fill up.

Seems like a plan to me.

Shinsei · Jun 18, 2005, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

It's really important that you guys know that we didn't ban people who hit upon this exploit accidentally or who were merely trying to complete the mission. We banned people who did this intentionally and on a repeated basis.

I farmed the wreckages intentionally and on a repeated basis, along with the Hill Giants before all that got "fixed". Why am I not banned?

Ignotus · Jun 18, 2005, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Shinsei

I farmed the wreckages intentionally and on a repeated basis, along with the Hill Giants before all that got "fixed". Why am I not banned?

Incomming....

Dralon · Jun 18, 2005, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

A ton of people were exploiting vengeance and weren't banned, it's called entrapment.

Go look up the definition for communism as well.

You are right. A game world is not, and never has been a Democracy. But thanks for the tip.